EV Charging Incentives
Public Utilities Regulatory Authority (PURA) and United Illuminating presented virtually on Jan. 25th. The program took effect on Jan 1, 2022. It includes residential, commercial, workplace, and fleet incentives. There are a lot of moving parts and that is why we invited these folks to present to us. Not everything was cleared up in the meeting and we are following up on additional details.
Several attendees asked why UI was there and not Eversource. The answer is that since, outside of a few details, the programs are identical, this was just a matter of how best to manage the meeting. We ran long as it was.
The meeting was recorded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpwbnCkD2E0
The presentation decks have been posted to the website: PURA and UI
Tesla Participation
As was explained by UI, the rate of charge in a Tesla is controlled by the vehicle. Even in the case of the “Gen 3” wall charger, the utility has to communicate with the car’s “brain.” They can’t use the charger to throttle charge. Consequently, participation has to be through telematics. From an incentive perspective, that means the Tesla wall charger would not be eligible for a subsidy, but the installation of it would still be eligible. (Again, all hardware-related incentives are for hardware installed in 2022 and not before.) From there, the $100 enrollment incentive for telematics would apply, along with the ongoing $200 annual demand response incentive.
We are hearing that folks are running into roadblocks when trying to enroll for telematics. We have a call with Eversource and UI and we will ask them about this. We did learn at the meeting that not everything is fully baked yet. As a practical matter, as long as one enrolls before June, there will be no loss from the perspective of the demand response incentives.
Chat String from Jan. 25th Meeting
Keep in mind that people were entering questions in the chat, many of which were answered by the presenters (and thus won’t appear below). The chat has been scrubbed of emails and DMs.
From Analiese Mione to Everyone 06:58 PM
Enjoy our blog: https://evclubct.com/blog/electric-vehicles/
From Paul Braren to Everyone 07:01 PM
Nice to see https://www.courant.com/business/hc-biz-connecticut-electric-vehicles-20220124-hzd4angslnevhpp3vtgdprzpyq-story.html at the Hartford Courant today, “Connecticut and its two biggest utilities launch a broad build-out of electric vehicle chargers”
From Analiese Mione to Everyone 07:06 PM
Welcome everyone and thanks for joining us. This will be recorded.
From Jay Gustafson to Everyone 07:06 PM
We are finishing dinner and listening. joining soon!
From Paul Roszko to Everyone 07:12 PM
Glad UI is here speaking to us this evening. Where is Eversource?
From Analiese Mione to Everyone 07:13 PM
“The program is identical for both utilities” Barry Kresch, EV Club of CT President.
From Ilene Mirkine to Everyone 07:14 PM
Was Eversource invited tonight? Or just UI.
From Tyra Peluso to Everyone 07:14 PM
Will the presentation be made available to attendees?
From Analiese Mione to Everyone 07:15 PM
It’s being recorded.
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Paul Braren to Everyone 07:16 PM
Single Family Residential Charging Incentives
https://evclubct.com/single-family-residence-charging-incentives/
Charging Incentives for Condos and Apartments
https://evclubct.com/charging-incentives-for-condos-and-apartments/
From Steven Mueller to Everyone 07:18 PM
How many ICE vehicles are registered in CT?
From Matt Griswold to Everyone 07:18 PM
Our wholesale perennial farm in Old Lyme has four Tesla Semis on order to replace our aging fleet of class 7 diesels. We are interested in more info on commercial charging incentives and demand charge mitigation. Our trucks will charge on-site, at night, with level 2 chargers. If all four trucks are charging at the same time, our demand will spike. How can we minimize demand charges here?
Mark Scribner, Energy New England here. Thanks to Barry K. for inviting me tonight. My organization (ENE) primarily serves the CT public utility territories, such as Wallingford, and collaborates with the IOUs, including Eversource.
From Analiese Mione to Everyone 07:22 PM
Welcome Mark and others from ENE.
From Paul Braren to Everyone 07:22 PM
Eversource:
Rebates for Connecticut Home Charging
https://www.eversource.com/content/ct-c/residential/save-money-energy/clean-energy-options/electric-vehicles/charging-station-rebates
UI:
Find the Best Electric Vehicle Charging Options for Your Business
https://www.uinet.com/wps/portal/uinet/smartenergy/!ut/p/z1/vZNdb4IwFIZ_DZeklS-5RcOUjY-pINCbpmLFGlqwonP_frhsLssyWZZlvTvpOW-fvOctQCADSJATK0nLakGqrs6RhfVB4E6NMQxtzzDhLFoE4YMfa9DXQHqzwdIB-sk8_OY4sG9-CRBAhWibdgvyIxO0JaXEB05kSwWV5bMCPxW0okUrWYFPdMuKih4U2Mi6lIQf8KaW-Lk-SrytOb3oNgVbg3xjmxq19IFqUGKqhqkP1ZW1JqoBTUosbWOtjNfudBzgiR-NHB-PozB2sxjkCky80I2dyRyHV18VOKVkTaUCFxc09w3NfUdbXtEeq2OJPYG_XPX43hmDbtuaXoh7NtenkXcMww8FuPQGnUJwZ8xGkWb7Q5CeGH0Ciagl77K0-J2ls8Sddy_9q7tTCO77ktd9Dbbb75HT5a8WLT23IPvTADY8SbitczWDO7Pk9lmdpC8hRy_-/?1dmy¤t=true&urile=wcm%3apath%3a%2FUINETAGR_SmartEnergy%2FSmartEnergy%2FElectric_Vehicles%2FEV_Programs_For_Your_Business%2F
From Frank Hall to Everyone 07:25 PM
If someone has a solar array unit on their home does that disqualify them?
From Andrew to Everyone 07:30 PM
I have a question… (Raising hand)
From Paul Braren to Everyone 07:31 PM
https://ct.gov/pura
From john pecora to Everyone 07:35 PM
With grid modernization is there any allowance for Virtual Power Plants (VPP) like what Tesla is doing in California with it’s PowerWall and software to supply the grid with power when needed
From Paul Braren to Everyone 07:35 PM
I have a question… (after Frank and Andrew and John)
From Analiese Mione to Me (Direct Message) 07:35 PM
Please type it to everyone so I can put it in the queue. Thanks.
From Bruce Becker to Everyone 07:36 PM
There is no way to select the “Rate 7” time of use residential rate with EverSource. How can this change be made?
From Analiese Mione to Everyone 07:36 PM
Please type your questions here to everyone so they can be added to the queue.
From Michael Flatto to Everyone 07:36 PM
Right now on the UI website, there are a handful of EVSEs listed as eligible. How do we know which cars are eligible for telematics?
From Jay Gustafson to Everyone 07:36 PM
Will we be able to get a copy of the chat?
From Barry Kresch to Everyone 07:39 PM
Yes, we’ll send out a chat, and the recording will be posted on the EV Club YouTube channel.
From Paul Braren to Everyone 07:45 PM
Question for Eversource (or UI): I see the Eversource document https://www.eversource.com/content/docs/default-source/save-money-energy/ct-ev-program-guide-resi.pdf?sfvrsn=a72baf62_0 page 7 section 4.0 Device Eligibility says “INSERT LINK Note: For a complete list of qualifying EV chargers, check our website on or about January 20, 2021.” Do you happen to know whether support is planned for the new third generation Tesla Wall Connector https://shop.tesla.com/product/wall-connector ? It’s a Wi-Fi connected charger with smart features coming, details at https://www.tesla.com/support/installation-manuals-wall-connector
“Find the Best Electric Vehicle Charging Options for Your Home”
https://www.uinet.com/wps/portal/uinet/smartenergy/electric_vehicles/evprogramsforhome/!ut/p/z1/vZPbcpswEIafpRdcYq052KR3xENst4Dr2JjDDYPJcsggRIRip29fMXWbZNKGTqdT3Wln_38_rXZJQiKStNmpLjNRszZr5D1OZqk-9ZyVsQDfWhsmbDc7z__s7jVwNRK-mzDTSfInevjNsWFMfyAJSfJWdKIi8WPdoshKnj6_QYEKszvkCvQ04wJb5OVXBbDBXPA6T09Y1XmDvQydOs5KntG-YLxiFAfnLq_vSFyYV0WGx0LNZ1NdNQqYq0cDTdUq0NQNuAILtCE7XHjp0t1c22662Ph7J9qTWIFg7Tt7e3mb-i-oVheq3UDlXKicH1SHn1TO4cuF6obx1UAVjn1J8n5Dw4F05M_GPGLJMH92gMN6Kh28G2N7vdEsd07CU41nErSMUzlFu79r5TZwbmWl_9LVFZBPY7Mml6G-f3hIbDlxrBX4JEj0j0dOltC4t_BK2a9MVGrdFoxEb6Qy9EYq8cuGHb8vrd0edUuacCyQI588chmuhOj6jwoocD6fJyVjZYOTnFEFfiWpWC_f9zqTdDQIqKVTNYJ7s6TWk7oMrb7whBl_-AbLierc/dz/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=%2FUINETAGR_Navigation%2FHeader%2FSmartEnergy%2FElectric_Vehicles%2FEVProgramsForHome
From Paul Braren to Everyone 07:46 PM
Connecticut Electric Vehicle Charging Program
2022 Participation Guide for Residential EV Drivers
January 1, 2022
https://www.uinet.com/wps/wcm/connect/www.uinet.com-7188/531e8139-4402-4f7f-95a7-770baa2c85c4/Final+UEVC002+UI+Residential+EV+Managed+Charging+Participant+Guide.1.6.22.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=ROOTWORKSPACE.Z18_J092I2G0N01BF0A7QAR8BK20A3-531e8139-4402-4f7f-95a7-770baa2c85c4-nV62hKv
(sorry those UI URLs are sooo long, I’m just the messenger 😉
From Bruce Becker to Everyone 07:46 PM
Rate 7 is about 6 cents/kwh less for off peak use! See https://www.eversource.com/content/ct-c/residential/account-billing/manage-bill/about-your-bill/rates-tariffs/time-of-day-rate-7#
From Jay Gustafson to Everyone 07:46 PM
How far off is CT from using Smart Meters? We just moved back from CA where we had that and it was the only way we could implement EV rates.
From Andrew to Everyone 07:47 PM
Does anyone have the qualified products list URL?
From Michael Flatto to Everyone 07:49 PM
https://www.uinet.com/wps/wcm/connect/www.uinet.com-7188/72bd45e8-8561-4ccc-bab2-ea012928541d/Final+UEVC007+EO+Home+Electric+Vehicle+Charger+Qualified+Product+List.1.20.2022-v2.pdf?MOD=AJPERES
From Andrew to Everyone 07:49 PM
Thanks!
From Paul Braren to Everyone 07:51 PM
same very short list of EV charging equipment for Eversource
https://www.eversource.com/content/ema-c/residential/save-money-energy/clean-energy-options/electric-vehicles/ev-charger-demand-response#:~:text=Eligible%20Chargers,Fi%20connectivity%20prior%20to%20enrollment.
but see my question above, maybe new info is coming soon, fingers crossed
From Michael Flatto to Everyone 07:52 PM
Can someone get a wiring rebate now and opt to purchase a smart charger at a later date and still get that rebate?
From Bruce Becker to Everyone 07:52 PM
If you have two cars in your home with telematics, can you get double the incentive?
From Richard Heckbert to Everyone 07:53 PM
This is the new larger approved charger list for Eversource. Unfortunately the Tesla Wall Connector Gen 3 is still not on the list
https://www.eversource.com/content/docs/default-source/save-money-energy/ct-ev-charger-list-resi.pdf?sfvrsn=d5b18262_2
From Edward Wazer to Everyone 07:54 PM
I have a “dumb” 240V home charge. Does a 2019 Bolt have telematics?
From Jq Abellard to Everyone 07:55 PM
now I am confused, “Tesla can join” so what is the rebate that Tesla Gen 3 Wall Charger is qualified for?
From Michael Flatto to Everyone 07:56 PM
Tesla can join by telematics, not by smart charger. So we can only get the wiring rebate, not the charger one
(unless we get one of the other smart chargers on the list)
From Jq Abellard to Everyone 07:58 PM
@Michael Flatto, so I just had the Tesla wall charger installed in December, no rebate at all, or the $100 one-time enrollment incentive?
From Michael Flatto to Everyone 07:58 PM
That’s my understanding
From Analiese Mione to Everyone 07:59 PM
This question is in the queue. Thanks.
From Paul Braren to Everyone 07:59 PM
Question for Eversource: The link Bruce sent above https://www.eversource.com/content/ct-c/residential/account-billing/manage-bill/about-your-bill/rates-tariffs/time-of-day-rate-7 for Rate 7 sure sounds promising to me, seems I call the number, and Eversource then swaps their meter on my house, and I then schedule my 2 Model 3s in my garage for charging after 8pm via the simple App. Seems simple, maybe too good to be true. What am I missing? I know I don’t get additional cost benefits of curtailment via telemetatics where Eversource would lower my charge rate during unusual high demand events, but hey, 6 cents/kWh off peak sure sounds good for my needs. With one car at 18,000 miles a year primarily charged at home, this sounds great. Is there a catch, such as higher cost of power during the day?
From J M Eskin to Everyone 08:00 PM
Can a HUD facility in Bridgeport offer charging and get these benefits to the OCCUPANTS?
From Christine Rogers to Everyone 08:00 PM
If I don’t apply by then of quarter one does that make me ineligible ?
From Kate Zod to Everyone 08:02 PM
We have solar panels, which we own. Can we still participate in the incentive programs?
From Analiese Mione to Everyone 08:03 PM
The program is 9 years. Incentives drop down each year is my understanding.
Question is in the queue. Thanks.
From Susan Miller to Everyone 08:03 PM
How many years are incentives paid?
From Anthony Pavia to Everyone 08:08 PM
Will any of these incentives be for retroactive installation of a 240v smart charger?
From Analiese Mione to Everyone 08:09 PM
New installations only. Please refer to UI website and program guide online for additional guidelines.
From Anthony Pavia to Everyone 08:09 PM
ty
From Bruce Becker to Everyone 08:11 PM
Is the cost of a transformer and the utility’s installation cost part of the dollar amount subject to the dollar cap?
From Kate Zod to Everyone 08:12 PM
If I have 2 EVs, am I eligible for double the incentives?
From Michael Flatto to Everyone 08:13 PM
Is the forthcoming online application portal for commercial only?
From Evan Finchler to Everyone 08:14 PM
Does anything change if you are signed up with a 3rd party supplier?
From Paul Braren to Everyone 08:14 PM
Barry, I’ll put this zoom on the EV Club of CT’s YouTube Channel https://youtube.com/EVClubCT, but will you be able to share the actual decks with links?
From Andrew to Everyone 08:15 PM
Can someone paste the residential home links that were shown on the last side…
From Paul Braren to Everyone 08:21 PM
Question: I realize I composed my 2 questions primarily to Eversource (I’m near Hartford), but they’re not on this agenda tonight. Perhaps somebody can get me in touch with somebody at Eversource who can assist me with my questions? I’ve tried to do so, but have failed.
From Mark Scribner, Energy New England (ENE) to Everyone 08:21 PM
To clarify, any vehicle charging Level 2 (2.x KW to 11+ kW?) with a non-smart EVSE can still enroll in a passive program using their existing whole home residential AMI meter, via disaggregation analytics. Is this correct?
From Guy Mannino to Everyone 08:23 PM
The final mounting and wiring of the station itself is not included in make ready, correct?
From Richard Heckbert to Everyone 08:25 PM
Hosting Capacity Map
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=4a8523bc4d454ddaa5c1e3f9428d8d8f
From Stefanie Keohane to Everyone 08:25 PM
links to hosting capacity maps
Eversource – https://eversource.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=6853bd7a3f714868bda7fee7c24d8c59
UI – https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=b5fe4d1060b14b14893a880ddb1e10c8
From Richard Madonna to Everyone 08:27 PM
I joined late, I’m the CFO at Connecticut College, how can we leverage this to deploy more chargers on campus
From Analiese Mione to Everyone 08:28 PM
210917 docket for media and heavy duty fleets at PURA. Please participate if you own a business.
*medium
From Kate Zod to Everyone 08:29 PM
This is a very valuable organization—encouraging and helping people to switch to EVs.
Does anyone know if there is a similar organization to encourage people to put solar panels on their homes, either purchased or leased?
From Paul Braren to Everyone 08:29 PM
Opinion/Thought: Seems likely some sort of (Tesla MegaPack for example) timeshifting might be needed to smooth out those punishing high peak load costs for overnight L2 charging those 4 Tesla Semis at once.
From Analiese Mione to Everyone 08:33 PM
171203REO2 smart meter docket at PURA
From Andrew to Everyone 08:34 PM
Did I miss the times for time of use service? (Residential)
From Stefanie Keohane to Everyone 08:35 PM
Summary of all Eversource electric rate components, including Residential TOU (Rate 7) https://www.eversource.com/content/docs/default-source/rates-tariffs/ct-electric/ct-electric-rates.pdf?sfvrsn=2d9afe62_46
From Paul Braren to Everyone 08:36 PM
I’ll call Eversource tomorrow to see how it goes, to get this 7 cent after 8pm residential rate https://www.eversource.com/content/ct-c/residential/account-billing/manage-bill/about-your-bill/rates-tariffs/time-of-day-rate-7# If anybody wants to learn how it goes, I’ll tweet whatever happens from both https://twitter.com/paulbraren and https://twitter.com/EVClubCT, follow either/both to get auto-notified.
From Kate Zod to Everyone 08:38 PM
What is a PHEV?
From Barry Kresch to Everyone 08:39 PM
plug-in hybrid
From Andrew to Everyone 08:39 PM
Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle..
From Kate Zod to Everyone 08:39 PM
Thanks.
From Paul Braren to Everyone 08:40 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_hybrid (so gas, with a little electric range, and it can charge in your garage to avoid using gas if the daily trips are shorter)
From Mark Scribner, Energy New England (ENE) to Everyone 08:40 PM
Since PHEVs often charge daily, and drivers tend to plug in as soon as they get home without incentivized charge management, PHEVs may actually present a greater concern for impacting grid demand than BEVs.
From Michael Flatto to Everyone 08:41 PM
Can someone get a wiring rebate now and opt to purchase a smart charger at a later date and still get that rebate?
From Michele Frankie to Everyone 08:42 PM
Thank you for this information Zoom meeting!
From john pecora to Everyone 08:42 PM
With grid modernization is there any allowance for Virtual Power Plants (VPP) like what Tesla is doing in California with it’s PowerWall and software to supply the grid with power when needed
From Paul Braren to Everyone 08:43 PM
I just had Eversource replace the main wiring from the pole to my house last month, and I asked the installer if he was using a smart meter in my town of Wethersfield CT yet, the answer was no. Just one data point/anecdotal, based on the one Eversource employee I asked. He didn’t even mention this 7 cents time of use meter, thanks to this club meeting, now I know! I hadn’t seen that URL anywhere before. Thank you!
https://www.eversource.com/content/ct-c/residential/account-billing/manage-bill/about-your-bill/rates-tariffs/time-of-day-rate-7
From William Cross to Everyone 08:43 PM
Thank you to everyone! This was great!
From Analiese Mione to Everyone 08:43 PM
Thank you all for attending and asking excellent questions.
From Dwight Stover to Everyone 08:43 PM
Thank you.
From Michael Flatto to Everyone 08:43 PM
Very cool, thanks to everyone who presented
From Edward Wazer to Everyone 08:44 PM
Thank you
From Vacek Miglus to Everyone 08:45 PM
thank you all. looking forward to reviewing all was covered tonight
From Paul Braren to Everyone 08:45 PM
Hoping this chat (minus the email addresses) can be published or at least shared, thank you for a great meeting!
Residential Application – Eversource:
https://www.eversource.com/content/docs/default-source/save-money-energy/eversource-ct-ev-resi-application.pdf